In terms of perspective, BS is BS no matter how you look at it!
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In terms of perspective, BS is BS no matter how you look at it!
Kipduff, you had asked me a couple weeks ago about the integrity of magnet wire insulation. All I can say is that the modern stuff is so tough that I have not seen evidence of a short in a voice or field coil in many years, and never in a speaker run. On the 1930s RCA drivers the coils would fail sometimes from the ancient purple varnish insulation flaking off the wire.
Jeff mentioned running untwisted, spaced wire runs. I used to do this years ago, attaching runs of #28 to the ceiling with Scotch tape. I began using drill-twisted runs for convenience, but never made careful sonic comparisons.
As to current capacity, with 108 - 110 dB sensitive drivers the speaker wires will rarely see a watt of signal on peaks. I have noticed no limitations, only wide open transparent sound. Please give it a try and report back. There may be something to the idea of matching wire cross sections between output transformer secondary and voice coil, both of which feature long lengths of tiny wire.
Just imagine... if fine magnet wire were best, who would tell you? Certainly not the purveyors of garden hose speaker cables!
Yep, and one is badly tarnished.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowOhms
Yes, that is correct ( above )..Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Guy
But the question still remains open...WHICH side of the coin is badly tarnished?
All one has to do is A-B the two wire choices, and self-determine.
Listeners will now be able to find-out for themselves, ( not what you or I think and write ), but rather - what sounds best to their ear, and who might be, to use your specific word-choice, the piker.
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AMPS:
Sorry , disagree . The two folks that design and build $20,000 audio amps, do not have "an agenda to build a $20K amp" as you state, but rather, build the best sounding amp they can devise. The circuit, topology, parts choices, execution choices, believe me, are their primary and over-riding goal. Their over-riding focus is having the amp perform, really perform, better than anything else available, in music playback.
The final cost is, what it is !! Maybe its four times the cost of the parts internal...whatever !! We should be happy these products are made, so we can HEAR them, maybe even own them, and.... we are all given a choice.
Most of us, can't - or won't - spend $20K for the best sounding amp available today. Some of us will have an open mind however, and take the time and make an effort, to actually LISTEN to one or both of them ( Spectral DMA-200, out of the Bay Area, or the Serious Stereo 2A3 amp, out of Montana ) . I have.
On this Forum this past month, perhaps in this thread, I have referred people to a published DIY audio amplifier article from Italy, that will allow them to APPROACH one of these two designs, and at a fraction of the cost. Will the DIY effort equal either of these two commercial amps? No Way. Get real !!
But, IN MY HONEST OPINION, ( not a fact Old Guy ) it will way outperform any other choice of an amp, they can use with an ALTEC speaker. Its a very simple circuit. so there is LESS to go wrong, its saving grace.
No negative feedback circuit .....how wonderful.
Just TWO stages - half of a 12AX7, or maybe half of a 12BZ7, directly coupled to the grid of a JJ 2A3-40. I offered to assist others, and for now, that offer stands.
I am not trying to post " against you " Old Guy. I would want to pay you respect. This post just offers my interpretation, my "opinions" ( if that word would please some ), summarizing the many posts I have done up here recently.
We should ALL be concerned with what works BEST on ALTECs.
Enjoy your system and music!! Best to you !!
Jeff Medwin .... Low Ohms.
Exactly what is wrong with your posts Jeff- you just nailed it. Let users self determine instead of your continuous crowing.
Old Guy, Jeff is never going to change, he is like a virus or worm that gets into almost every posting. I'm not even interested in posting here anymore because I'm just going to be told that I'm doing it wrong and the only proper way is Jeff's way or I'm wasting my time. Looking around he gets the same respect as he does here as on other forums.
Something has to give.
BillWojo
I have a HUGE amount of respect for Old Guy. I have never met him in person, never talked to him on the phone. However, he has been a very positive influence to me and my forum participation.Quote:
I am not trying to post " against you " Old Guy. I would want to pay you respect. This post just offers my interpretation, my "opinions" ( if that word would please some ), summarizing the many posts I have done up here recently.
By example, (besides the technical knowledge) i have learned much from him about posting behavior, and how to temper my opinion so as not to present it as indisputable fact, or blanket statement. Interacting with him on this forum has helped better my online people skills, and helps keep me from getting both my feet planted firmly in my mouth.
Thank you Old Guy!
personally Jeff, your posts are just too long, maybe it would be better if you made your posts in the form of a haiku.
:emot28:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
Lol
ALTEC deserves BESTQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
Everything matters all at once
Its all audible
;);)Quote:
Originally Posted by LowOhms
Yes, but is it live or Memorex? So much of what you purport to sound 'best' is Memorex since it's not reproducing the signal as accurately as practical, just your interpretation of it even though you neither made it nor recorded it.
GM
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Originally Posted by GM
Forget the theory
As long as we are happy
Dats what really counts
Data's what really counts. :p
This is not going to last much longer
You are right, AB. Enjoy the BS. SeeYa.
he meant dats the first and last line of haiku must have 5 syllables.Quote:
Originally Posted by mah
Post was not directed at you mah...But you are also right, too much BS going on, and it is going to stop real soon.
This thread will be edited real soon.Something I seem to have to do all too frequently anymore..
Thank you for clarification, AB.
before the edit;;
for the few years I have been on this board jeff has not been a problem, until lately.
we all knew jeffs posts but took them with a grain of salt. the change in the paradigm has been one person
Phil, I believe you are referring to me. I have been a member of this forum for somewhat longer than yourself. I believe that I have contributed to this forum in terms of its reason for being in a considered and active way. You will find I disagreed with Medwin's nonsense before you joined.
OT: Show us your DIY tube amps - see how a friendly thread falls apart after LowOhms joins in.
Phil, your interventions(wisecracks and unwise-cracks) often add nothing to disagreements but add fuel to them instead. You were sad to see Jeff banned from this forum because you 'found him amusing'. The credibility of this forum be damned, because you find his posts 'funny'?
I believe in the technical nature of this forum and will call on those who promote WOO to verify it. Pretty simple, huh.
Over to you, AB.
mah you take things way too seriously. up until a couple months ago. this was not a huge issue. you have made it so
No, Phil, this is a problem that follows Jeff everywhere he posts.
I guess I take the credibility of AUB more seriously than you do.
after review your ongoing feud with jeff is clear.
why are you bringing it here?
Phil, it is the BS.
I have more to do in my life than to pick a fight with a 70 something year old man
The technical nature and the lack of bs pixie dust fantasies were one of the main reasons I joined this forum. If I want bull crap I can go to any one of a bunch of different forums, I choose not to.
Can you imagine if the original engineers at Western Electric had spent there days doing no scientific research, never worked out complex mathematical formulas found in esoteric physics documents and instead relied on pixie dust. I can tell you with the utmost certainty that we would not have what we have today.
If anyone on this forum makes a bold claim that contradicts basic electrical engineering, as long as I'm a member, I WILL refute it. To allow one claim after another with no proof to back it up will just makes this forum like so many others that have no technical merit.
To Altecs Best and Todd, please take a good look at where this forum is heading. When I first joined this forum I spent many a night reading old post, starting from page one and every night I read at least ten pages. Of course I skipped post that had been covered numerous times but the thing that impressed me was the collective knowledge of the members and the total lack of voodoo magic and pixie dust. Today, I see that changing and it alarms me.
BillWojo
grow up
You are forgiven as I am close to but not 70, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
Please get on with those things 'you have more to do'.
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"grow up" - Childish response.
By the way if you have an issue with me, please do me the courtesy of addressing it to me rather than hide behind non-specific innuendo.
Not on any DIY forum I've ever lurked/posted on. I think it's time you get your own website/blog to preach the gospel of the tinkerer and let those interested in just tinkering come to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowOhms
GM
Jeff sort of had his own blog for many years at Audio Asylum. His home-base, maybe. He hasn't posted there in over 3 months, a bit strange given how prolific he has been on that forum, over many, many years - up to then. Draw your own conclusions. Jeff of course could post there and prove any skeptics wrong. IMHO, YMMV, etc
(AA don't announce a members banishment. They delete any relevant posts and the member disappears for an unstated period). No record.
pardon me, I stand corrected. you seem much much much younger.Quote:
Originally Posted by mah
ok mike, i'll address it. you're a forum bully. you take any disagreement or perceived slight to another level. you're endlessly confrontational and have no problem turning any thread into your own soapbox. (not unlike jeff but in an angry way) and if it's not jeff, or myself currently, it will be always be someone else.
i'm posting this now at the risk of being blocked and Altec Best. this is the last thing I have say on this. mike the floor is yours, have at it. knock yourself out.
Zilch(RIP) might have coined the term "wankerer".;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GM
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It's those hot wings, he needs to bring the heat down a notch. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil-G
Damn wankerers! :p
Zilch was a smart guy
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Originally Posted by BillWojo
Hello Bill Wojo,
I find your post to be rather narrow minded, and certainly offensive to read. Since having a interchange with Todd, a while back, I typically don't often talk about you, or others, in such a derogatory manner.
The reason why I critique "theory" is that I feel, while its important, it is typically NOT ANYWHERES near comprehensive enough, on its own, to allow us to obtain a satisfactory end result. Audio is part science and part art, IMHO. It takes LISTENING and science, and intuition ........to get a good final result.
So, when you and mah use such derogatory terms as " BS " and " pixie dust", or GM thinks of me as a " tinkerer",. I would suggest you are grossly selling me short !!
You and GM are fine people, but both of you have limitations, as we ALL do. You two guys don't get out to attend large audio shows, its costly to travel, so you don't get to hear the many choices available to us today. There are LIMITATIONS you personally are subject to.
Bill and GM, in terms of " pixie dust" and " tinkerers", how can that possibly equate to my present audio Mentor, (whose ideas I often share up here ), who obtained a " Best Sound of the Show" Denver/ October 2016 RMAF review, (from an established reviewer, Herb Reichert, in THE established " Stereophile " Magazine ???? ) If I am discussing any of his implementations and audio ideas, would not that be of value ?
So what is important, theory or the actual result ??
I am taking a break from posting. Have fun, I do !!
Respectfully and lovingly to ALL of you,
Jeff Medwin sorry, not haiku.
We are doing just that Bill.There are changes coming sooner rather than later...We operated the Altec User Board for many years without posting of rules.But it is obvious to this Moderator that they need to be posted as newer members that join here seem to think that they can do what they want..We liked to think that we are a family here as we are a small close-nit community compared to the other audio forums.I personally feel that there are a few people that owe the OP an apology for hijacking his thread !Quote:
Originally Posted by BillWojo
I would like to apologize to kipduff for even having to go through all this Bickering ! He asked a legitimate question...I will delete all posts that are off topic and try to get this thread back on track
Thread will be closed until I can edit it...